Charlie and Me: 421 Miles From Home

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The correct rule is that "me" becomes "I" when the "me" is the subject node all by itself. If it is part of a clause that contains other things, and this clause is the subject, then the "I" is supposed to be "me", and it is an illiterate hypercorrection to use "I". The addition here does not alter the meaning or grammar, or affect of the word between but gives us structure to do this:

Sure, putting yourself--I--last in a list of people, whether 2 or 200, is correct and polite, but only if all the people together comprise the subjects of the sentence, not the objects. If you and they are subjects, put yourself last using the nominative I. If on the other hand you and they are objects, then put yourself last using the objective me. Ben mi çabuk ağlıyorum yoksa bu kitaplar mı çok etkileyici bilmiyorum. Ama yüzde yüz eminim bu kitabın sonunda ağlamamak imkansız. Hiç bir şekilde beklemediğiniz bir şey oluyor ve bir anda kendinizi gözyaşları içersinde buluyorsunuz. Şu an bunu yazarken bile ağlıyorum. No internal scan required to objectify the list. It's already an object. Nobody likes to be forced to scan inside a lexical unit. Patterns of prestigious deviance”, a Language Log article by Mark Liberman: I found it just after writing this post. It also discusses Sobin and Angermeyer & Singler as well as some other literature. Along the journey, apart from the lighter moments, there is a blanketing sense of dread and unease building up to a tear-jerking resolution.

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What gets confusing for many people is which form to use when there are two subjects or objects linked with and, as in these examples: This novel features a wonderful pairing - brothers Martin and Charlie, a young teen and his younger brother who have, apparently, run away from home to travel more than 400 miles to Cornwall, where they are hoping to see the dolphin they saw on a family holiday.

The form “The other attendees are Steve and me” could be produced by an application of the two main rules that I mentioned (use the form that would be used in a sentence without conjunction, such as “The other attendee was me,” and place first-person pronouns such as “me” last). I wrote my first love letter in 1967 when I was a skinny, bookish 8-year-old with an overbite. The intended recipient? Davy Jones, lead singer of The Monkees, whose elfin grin, mop-top hair and English accent appealed to girls too young to grasp the genius of The Beatles or the raw sexuality of The Rolling Stones. I don’t recall what my letter said but it may have included a hand-drawn heart.This rule is sometimes thought of as "use subjective case after a form of to be" but that is not an entirely accurate formulation of the prescriptive rule. To-infinitives often take subjects in the objective case (as in "I want them to come"); this means it is possible for the non-finite form "to be" to have a subject in objective case, and in that circumstance it is prescribed to also put the complement in the objective case. Examples: "I knew it to be him" or "a man, whom I believe to be him" ( The Romance of the Forest, Ann Ward Radcliffe). Prescriptivists generally argue against usages like "I knew it to be he" or "a man, whom I believe to be he". This is normal English as learned by many children, found in prose and dialogue in works of the best authors, and taught to learners of English as a second language. I is of course the normal subject pronoun and me is the normal object pronoun. But in this style, me is also an emphatic variant of I that is used (among other uses) whenever several nouns or pronouns are joined into a single subject or object. This is the most correct style in the sense that it is how educated normal people normally speak. Unfortunately, the hypercorrection "Bill and I work late", has been floating around for a long time, so that it starts to sound ok too. To see that There is a third prescriptive rule about case that is fairly widely known. Probably there are some people who would say it is still “technically correct” or something like that, but in practice people rarely follow it or recommend following it nowadays, because it often results in sentences that sound terribly unnatural to pretty much everybody:

In 1974, the year I wrote that letter to Charlie, my conservative, Nixon-supporting dad insisted over and over, “Girls don’t play drums!” I naively assumed he was right. My mom tried to teach me what she considered the more feminine art of knitting. I can still hear her counting “knit one, purl two.” But I was a wannabe timekeeper and that wasn’t my kind of counting. Angermeyer, Philipp S. & Singler, John Victor. “The case for politeness: Pronoun variation in co-ordinate NPs in object position in English.” Language Variation and Change, 15 (2003), 171–209. This is formal, high-prestige English as taught to native English speakers who want to improve their language to advance in society. It is the most correct style in the sense that it has the highest prestige. But it is not how people normally speak, and most children even in educated families do not learn this style naturally. I can speak Russian, but I can't read it very well. ( I is the subject of can speak and can’t read.) This is the hypercorrection that logically results when someone is taught style 2 but doesn't really understand it beyond "'you and me' is sometimes (hypercorrected to: always) wrong". As much as I hate to admit the fact, this style is so common that it is arguably correct. We can even justify this by arguing that in style 1, the case information gets lost when two subjects or objects are joined, and then using subject case is pretty logical unless we specifically want the emphatic variant to emphasise the first person.

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This is a part of a bigger question that troubles both learners and native speakers of English: when to use I and when to use me.

In 2008 Jordy Benattar was nominated for a Gemini Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Dramatic Program or Mini-Series. Da titolo e trama mi aspettavo una storia per ragazzi: due fratelli in fuga verso le spiagge della Cornovaglia per rivedere il delfino che salta in mezzo all'oceano, proprio come hanno fatto durante la loro vacanza insieme ai genitori.Due bambini che prendono un treno e percorrono miglia e miglia verso la loro destinazione, scappando da controllori e poliziotti per riuscire ad arrivare in tempo, prima che l'alta marea scenda e il delfino se ne vada per la sua strada. The prescriptive rule being unnatural is not necessarily inconsistent with a prescriptivist viewpoint. Assuming “natural” is the same thing as “good” is called the “appeal to nature”; this is generally considered a fallacy. Many prescriptivists would concede that people don’t intuitively choose prestige forms; if they did, prescriptivists wouldn't have such a market peddling advice manuals to linguistically insecure speakers such as you and I. (Or should that be “such as me and you”? “Such as you and me”?) I think most thoughtful people could guess that a rule that is known to trip up even educated adult writers isn’t going to be easy for children to acquire. While the natural rules of grammar are of great interest to linguists, native speakers rarely spend much time learning about them because ... they come naturally. Whether it's ever worth the extra effort it takes to follow an unnatural rule is a matter of opinion, not fact. The answers to “ ‘My friends and I’ vs. ‘My friends and me’ vs. ‘Me and my friends’” [ELU] also cover both of these rules to some extent, although the question itself focuses on the second.)

Prescriptive rules for position and case of pronouns

Mentioned, but not endorsed or described as a grammar rule in “ ‘Me’ first?” [ Grammarphobia]; endorsed by “ Grammar Girl”. As I said, many grammar “mavens” seem to view this as more of a “guideline” than a rule of grammar, but it is still widely followed in practice. The construction “I and...”, which visibly follows (1) but not (2), generally sounds quite bad to native English speakers. On the other hand, the construction “me and...”, which violates "rule" (2), generally sounds much less objectionable (which is why many people are explicitly taught to avoid using it in subject position), and some people may consider it fully acceptable in situations where it does not violate rule (1) (that is, situations where objective case is prescribed by traditional grammar rules).